Posted by
Greggpj on Friday, September 01, 2006 2:54:52 PM
Check out my commnets to the respondants to Kathleen Parker's excellnet piece on Olaf and Steve:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/column.aspx?UrlTitle=the_religion_of_peace_--_at_gunpoint&ns=KathleenParker&dt=09/01/2006&page=full&comments=true#7fb554d6-7ed2-4393-833c-40d70657f115
Here is my main point:
This is a shame...
I am really disappointed in the rhetoric that is on this forum. Kill them all? Lots of mushroom clouds? What are we here? Western fascists? This forums reads like a DailyKos forum post in its hate filled rants. I am as hawkish on the was as anyone in these forums. We must win this war. Victory is our only option. The war in Iraq and the war against terror are completely the same thing. The Islamo-fascists (and I do think that is the appropriate terms and I don’t mind using it) want to kill all the Jews and subjugate the rest of humanity. But for the love of God (literal) we cannot stoop to their level of hatred in order to do this. As Benjamin Netanyahu has said recently, if Israel were to lay down her arms, she would be annihilated. If Israel’s enemies were to lay down their arms, there would be peace. We need to keep that in mind. We are not the barbarians. We are not the ones forcefully converting innocents. We are not the ones who are hoping that the mushroom clouds go up over our enemies. We are the ones who want all humans to live according to their own conscience and beliefs. We are the ones who believe in self determination. We are the ones who believe that it is a moral imperative to help the poor, widowed, and the orphaned. Let us not bend down to the cruel rhetoric of our enemies. We can be better then that.
As to Steve’s and Olaf’s “conversion” – I love Jesus with all of my heart, mind, soul, and strength. But I do that from my comfy western lifestyle. I would hope that I would be able to stand up to a gun point conversion, but only with the help of God and the Holy Spirit. But I am human and I am a sinner. I cannot judge those two, it is not for me to do.
And here is my rebuttal to Lazlo (whom I almost always agree with):
Lazlo..
Nowhere in my post do I speak of not taking the stick to the wolf - good analogy BTW. What I am saying is that we need to take the moral high ground in not delighting in the annihilation of our enemies and the innocents as collateral. There is a difference. What needs to be done must be done. Victory must be ours. People – Islamo-fascists as well as innocent men, women and children - will suffer and die because of it. And it is the Islamo-fascist that brought the war to us; we did not bring it to them. The blood of the innocents is on their heads, not ours. But we should not gleefully take joy in this. Nor should we wish it to happen. It is very sad that innocents are slain. We must never forget that. In forgetting that - or in glorifying over the death of our enemy and his family, we become like our enemy.
Again, victory over the enemy is our only option. We will kill him until he surrenders unconditionally. But we should never take joy in that.
When we beat the Nazi's and we then beat the Japanese fascists 60 years ago, we were jubilant at the fact the war was over, not that millions had died. And it was only through American charitable hearts and the Judeo / Christian moral absolute to love our brothers and sisters that Germany and Japan are the free countries they are today.
I won't even bother with Pilgrim because I am full of too much sentimental crap. I wonder is some Psillium Husk will take care of that?
As to Goshend not seeing what I saw in the thread - here is a sample form gits4life:
Once the only sane choice is made, I prefer the following simple recipe for a couple hundred years of relative quiet from that corner of the world:
1) Kill everything that moves.
2) Burn everything that doesn't.
3) Poison the wells.
4) Salt the fields.
5) Repeat as required.
As to Lazlo's last point in the thread, fair enough.